^ John I know you hate Trinity with a passion but in all seriousness have you ever seen their stage 4 pipes dynoed? Just curious is all because I currently run a set. Given that they are stainless an I live on the gulf coast an the salt air is terrible on chrome I like them for my trail bike. There arent any dynos close to me so I have no way of dynoi g a set just to see if their ok or not.