i plan on ditching it when i get the cash for a round house arm, carrier and a jj&a but i needed something to do some mocking up till then best you can do is around 1000-1200 for the setup and i dont have it right now. i built a jig to put the arm in to keep it straight and true so it should function good not throwing the chain and crap. but i am telling you it is a heavy pig it weighs more then my buddys arm carrier and axle seems like anyways.