tithead Posted November 20, 2004 Report Share Posted November 20, 2004 ok, i know i had a post on quicksand a arms, swinngs and there products but i was flicking through the k&k website and saw "gibson" a arms and some other products. i was wondering what you guys thought about gibson? are they better than quicksand? better on a banshee as its "long travel"? what the difference between long travel and normal +2+2, +2+1 etc products? thanks in advance, tithead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bansheefreak Posted November 20, 2004 Report Share Posted November 20, 2004 i don't really know is one is better then the other but gibson is known to make some of the best long travel suspension... the diff between LT and reg +2/+1 is you get some suspension.. not sure of exact number but say you have 10 stock Lt you will get like 13 or 15 inches of travel... and the way they make them i think the make the arms longer then plus arms but move the shock mount... my 3 cents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYUK Posted November 20, 2004 Report Share Posted November 20, 2004 i don't really know is one is better then the other but gibson is known to make some of the best long travel suspension... the diff between LT and reg +2/+1 is you get some suspension.. not sure of exact number but say you have 10 stock Lt you will get like 13 or 15 inches of travel... and the way they make them i think the make the arms longer then plus arms but move the shock mount... my 3 cents 282934[/snapback] gibson is dave gibson from www.eastcoastatv.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tats4life Posted November 20, 2004 Report Share Posted November 20, 2004 My LSR front end has 10 inches of travel with 15 1/2 inch long shocks. My old LOBO bike had almost 16 inches of travel with 19 1/4 inch long shocks. But with a long travel front end you have to run a 4+1 offset wheel so the lower arm doesn't hit the rim. If you got any questions about LT front ends...shoot me a pm...I'll do my best to help out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meat Posted November 20, 2004 Report Share Posted November 20, 2004 (edited) Gibson doesn't make Banshee LT arms, besides... they're way overpriced if you ask me. seems like gibson only caters to the wealthy racer. There's a-arms are made the same way and with the same materials as Quicksands, tig welded 4130 chomoly. That "Gibson" sticker raises the price about $400 bucks alone. It really is a nice sticker, its prolly worth the extra 400 bones. Quicksand need to develope a long travel setup for the banshee crowd. They make em for the YFZ450. Where has Gary been lately, I havent seen him on the boards in a while. Edited November 20, 2004 by Meat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tats4life Posted November 20, 2004 Report Share Posted November 20, 2004 hell i still wanna see a outlaw janseen on a banshee...i've had a lobo bike.....i wanna ride another LT besides lobo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tithead Posted November 20, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2004 for mx racing and hill climbs what would you go for? long travel or regular 2+2/1+2? i like my toys to be wide! but i dont really know much about the long travel stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tats4life Posted November 20, 2004 Report Share Posted November 20, 2004 +2+1 and 4+1 offset wheels....make you plenty wide. My buddy selling his LSR front to go drag..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banshee370 Posted November 20, 2004 Report Share Posted November 20, 2004 gibson is dave gibson from www.eastcoastatv.com 282959[/snapback] Actually "Gibson" is a partnership between K&K atv and Eastcoast atv. ALL of the Gibson products are produced in Mass..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locogato11283 Posted November 20, 2004 Report Share Posted November 20, 2004 for trails and hillclimbing it is best to stay a little more narrow. i run quicksand +1 a arms up front and a lsr axle in the rear on my stroker. thats more than wide enough. you dont wanna get too wide because you can get high centered on shit on the hill. but that also depends on what kinda hills? rutted out hills i would stay more narrow. groomed hills like at our hillclimbs you can afford to go a little wider because most likeyl there isnt a big ass rock or tree rut to catch up on. we do have some hills here tho that are pretty fucked up and have shit to catch on. thats why i dont run extremely wide set ups. just good enough to be stable is all i need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banshee370 Posted November 20, 2004 Report Share Posted November 20, 2004 Gibson doesn't make Banshee LT arms, besides... they're way overpriced if you ask me. seems like gibson only caters to the wealthy racer. There's a-arms are made the same way and with the same materials as Quicksands, tig welded 4130 chomoly. That "Gibson" sticker raises the price about $400 bucks alone. It really is a nice sticker, its prolly worth the extra 400 bones. Quicksand need to develope a long travel setup for the banshee crowd. They make em for the YFZ450. Where has Gary been lately, I havent seen him on the boards in a while. 282993[/snapback] Denny: this time I have to say you have no idea what your talking about.... How do YOU feel that the "sticker" makes them worth 400.00 more? Do you know how much research and development went into their long travels? While I have seen Quicksand arms and MANY MANY Gibson products I can honestly say there there is a huge difference in products. I am not discounting any of the QS stuff... But there is no way in hell I would ever compare the two as the same.... This is comparing LT to LT and not just standard travel arms. There is no special "engineering" in standard travel arms. So I am not comparing those. While I agree that a LT Gibson setup for the banshee would kick ass.... but K&K/ECATV cater to the MX racers... (ie; pros) How many banshees do you see in the pro class? The end of the banshee is near.... So why would they design a LT for something that is very rare on an MX track? Everyone knows that the front of the banshee frame was a poor design (frt suspension) and is not really set up for a "true" LT design. I offered my shee a long time ago to use to design/test/build a LT setup... and I agree w/ Shawn that its not worth the overall investment for a machine that has too many limitations... especially to be competitive on an MX track. Do any of you notice who the MAIN suppliers of LT arms are... and that you dont see many smaller companys producing them? How many LT setups are available for the banshee??? There is a WHOLE bunch more work involved in designing and building a TRUE LT front end. Last I knew Gibson was the ONLY company to produce a LT set up that had NO, nadda, ZIP, zero bump steer in ALL of its travel. (approx a year ago)I am sure others have done their best in the past year to compete and update their products. As for catering to a "wealthy" racer.... Its more of they arent whoring themselves out like everyone else does. If you notice the ONLY dealers for Gibson products are ECATV and K&K... Why make everyone and their brother a dealer so that they can just drop their pants and give shit away? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tithead Posted November 22, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2004 for trails and hillclimbing it is best to stay a little more narrow. i run quicksand +1 a arms up front and a lsr axle in the rear on my stroker. thats more than wide enough. you dont wanna get too wide because you can get high centered on shit on the hill. but that also depends on what kinda hills? rutted out hills i would stay more narrow. groomed hills like at our hillclimbs you can afford to go a little wider because most likeyl there isnt a big ass rock or tree rut to catch up on. we do have some hills here tho that are pretty fucked up and have shit to catch on. thats why i dont run extremely wide set ups. just good enough to be stable is all i need. 283086[/snapback] the hills here will mostly be quarry`s, gravel and sand mainly. i was thinking about the wideness more for mx racing, i just want to go wide open round all the corners and have less chance of the bike tipping. the +2+1 and 4+1 offset wheels sounds good so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyBoy Posted November 22, 2004 Report Share Posted November 22, 2004 If you really want to step into the arena of long travel, you need to make some serious mods to your bike. I am considering a Laeger frame with 250R geometry. You will need to then purchase all susoension components for a 250R which will allow you to run the true longtravel from anyone you choose. Basically, what you will end up with is a 250 frame with a Banshee motor and plastic, bu no one needs to know. Monkey Boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallrat Posted November 22, 2004 Report Share Posted November 22, 2004 LT is pretty impressive, but you have to be able to justify the cost involved. If your racing as a hobby then its difficult to throw down $2500 for a front end. If your racing to keep food on the table, well then any competive edge is a good investment. Aftermarket a-arms hold their value fairly well so you could always get a +1 or +2 setup now with some good Axis, Elkas, Peps or TCS and then later on down the road if you still need more of an edge, sell them and upgrade to LT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meat Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 (edited) QUOTE(Meat @ Nov 20 2004, 12:12 PM) Gibson doesn't make Banshee LT arms, besides... they're way overpriced if you ask me. gibson only caters to the wealthy racer. There's a-arms are made the same way and with the same materials as Quicksands, tig welded 4130 chomoly. That "Gibson" sticker raises the price about $400 bucks alone. It really is a nice sticker, its prolly worth the extra 400 bones. Quicksand need to develope a long travel setup for the banshee crowd. They make em for the YFZ450. Where has Gary been lately, I havent seen him on the boards in a while. Denny:this time I have to say you have no idea what your talking about.... How do YOU feel that the "sticker" makes them worth 400.00 more? wasssssssup walter.... the $400 dollar decal comment was me trying to be sarcastic. Do you know how much research and development went into their long travels? What do you think ? Have you ever known me to hang out with Dave Gibson ? Im willing to bet companies like LSR and Houser put in just as much R&D as Gibson did. While I have seen Quicksand arms and MANY MANY Gibson products I can honestly say there there is a huge difference in products. Explain please. Tig welded 4130 chromoly is tig welded 4130 chromoly is tig welded 4130 chromoly. Walt you know I like and respect you, and I don't want to sound condensending towards you, but concerning Quicksands YFZ LT arms... do you know how much research and development went into thier long travles? While I agree that a LT Gibson setup for the banshee would kick ass.... but K&K/ECATV cater to the MX racers... (ie; pros) How many banshees do you see in the pro class? Hence the quote: "gibson only caters to the wealthy racer." Shoulda have said "wealthy MX racer". The end of the banshee is near.... So why would they design a LT for something that is very rare on an MX track? Everyone knows that the front of the banshee frame was a poor design (frt suspension) and is not really set up for a "true" LT design. I offered my shee a long time ago to use to design/test/build a LT setup... and I agree w/ Shawn that its not worth the overall investment for a machine that has too many limitations... especially to be competitive on an MX track. Agreed, LT arms on a Banshee are silly in a way. How many LT setups are available for the banshee??? Janssen is the only one iv seen.... There is a WHOLE bunch more work involved in designing and building a TRUE LT front end. Last I knew Gibson was the ONLY company to produce a LT set up that had NO, nadda, ZIP, zero bump steer in ALL of its travel. (approx a year ago)I am sure others have done their best in the past year to compete and update their products. Dats sum cool info. As for catering to a "wealthy" racer.... Its more of they arent whoring themselves out like everyone else does. If you notice the ONLY dealers for Gibson products are ECATV and K&K... Why make everyone and their brother a dealer so that they can just drop their pants and give shit away? Agreed. Just like LSR products can be bought everywhere, but Roll on the other hand, sells em like K&K\ECATV. K&K\ECATV should stay as the exclusive dealers, it makes better business sence for them..... and gives us poor suckers somthing to dream about owning someday. When I added the word "wealthy" before the word "racer".... Im sayin that Gibson LT A-arms are the most expensive LT A-arms on the market. Iv done some research on pricing and here's what I found. These prices are for a 250r.... Eyeball Engineering wants $725 LSR wants $838 Denton wants $875 Houser wants $950 Gibson wants $1100 Couldnt get a price on Roll or ARS\FX ARS\FX is the hot LT setup for XC racing. Nobody uses Gibson's LT for racing in the woods, they're strictly MX arms. I wonder why ? Edited November 30, 2004 by Meat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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